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Old 03-21-2012, 11:30 PM
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Posted by a page boy

"Posted by a page boy" is all well and good, sort of, although it is a bit of a cop-out for anonymous posting (using it for signed posting seems much fairer, unless, of course, you're a criminal on the run) - but it does raise the question of when did you read the other posts if you're replying to an IC thread?
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:04 AM
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It's a good topic for discussion

I can see the "anonymous" posting issue from a variety of angles.

I'd like to think in a perfect world where we all had as much time to play as we'd like, we'd all make the effort to take our bodies into the Lecture Hall and stay at least the 3.5 seconds to make an original post, or to hop in and read posts in order to make responses. As was mentioned in previous discussions, I think it would be ideal if everyone who has ever posted did the exact same thing, signed or no. Considering the number of posts that go on the boards, wouldn't that open up the doors of Role Play between characters who don't usually get to interact? (IBers traveling to the OB for posting, etc.)

That being said, I'm guilty of absentee-posting for a variety of reasons. The main one being that I post while I'm on break at work sometimes, and there is no in-game time to get a body to the boards, especially not with Isaria since she'd need an escort. But since returning to the game, I think I'm getting the feeling that the use of the fill-in-the-adjective-page-boy to post signed missives is alright.

The other side of the absentee posting issue is the anonymous missive. And honestly, I am torn on that as well.

I'm not a villain-player at the moment. (Not arguing the definition of villain/thug/whatever - I'm at work right now..) But whenever I've been tempted to post something anonymously, the fact that pretty much any missive, posted on the boards or sent via courier in game, can be identified by a variety of means skids me to a halt almost immediately. So even the sheer act of putting something up on the boards AT ALL as an anonymous poster is already a recipe for a relatively quick end for your villain, regardless of how it actually got there.

Add in the concept that, as a villain, you'll have the roleplayers who will literally park their bodies in the lecture hall, hallway, guest rooms, etc, ALL DAY LONG in order to catch the "bad guy" - and you've got yet another reason NOT to appear in person to post. (Or to come out of your room without a disguise cloak, for that matter.)

Don't get me wrong - I am all for the honest roleplay of villains vs. heroes in game. But when there are SO many ways for the heroes to end a villain's plot quickly, through magical means, skill means, or even proximity means, it makes it more difficult to encourage people who aren't "career villain" players to branch out into that area. And that's alright too...except we non-villain players might just be able to create really fun characters that bring forth fun roleplay and storylines for more than just the heroes who want to find the right way to catch us...

Just a few thoughts - have a great day!
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Old 03-22-2012, 07:15 AM
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When in the past, admittedly, its been years since she has, I had Britta respond to a post on the ic board. I would usually, sign it, "Unsigned, but the handwriting is apparent to most who know her well*
Because to me? That seems ic. If Britta was going to respond to say, a poll about the color snow, because she hates it. She isn't going to sign her name to it, because she doesn't want to get yelled at my Sir Snuffalumps who loves the color snow..yet, if another character has received more then a handful of scrolls from Britta, they would instant spot her lovely copperplate, distinct handwriting.l
I guess if she wanted to tack something to the board and not let anyone know about it, say a scroll calling Sir Darvius an honorless cur, she may either try to write the scroll with her left hand, or bribe another denizen to write it for her. Yet, then their handwriting may be spotted as well.
I do think that the complete anon can be a cop out. Yet, I do try not to judge others ig decisions, or what they chose to do with their characters.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:41 AM
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I really just posted this because I suddenly wondered why someone would have posts put up by a page boy when they'd have to have come over to read the other posts.

In short, I think some good basic guidelines are:

1. "Page boy" posts are okay for announcements of any kind.
2. "Page boy" posts do not make sense for replies to other postings.

3. If you're signing your post with your character's name, or otherwise making it obvious (genuinely obvious, like Britta's example - account name is character name, handwriting is stated to be identifiable), it's fine to post it without going to the lecture hall.
4. If you're posting something that's probably not going to generate any conflict, it's probably okay not to go to the lecture hall (but err on the side of caution/fairness, i.e. if you're not sure, go).

5. If you're posting inflammatory/insulting/objectionable material unsigned - anything that is likely to generate conflict - go to the lecture hall to do it.
6. If you're posting signed or unsigned, but are a wanted criminal, rebel, or other undesirable, go to the lecture hall to do it.

The basic idea here is fairness and giving people a shot at RPing, more than realism or immersion. It really is completely irrelevant, IMO, whether Battler practice announcements are posted with a visit to the lecture hall. However, something like Lucus' essays should be posted during a visit to the lecture hall (if by someone else, then one would also hope they'd have the text on a scroll on their person).
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:54 AM
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Two points I wanted to respond to even though they're off-topic...

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I'm not a villain-player at the moment. (Not arguing the definition of villain/thug/whatever - I'm at work right now..) But whenever I've been tempted to post something anonymously, the fact that pretty much any missive, posted on the boards or sent via courier in game, can be identified by a variety of means skids me to a halt almost immediately. So even the sheer act of putting something up on the boards AT ALL as an anonymous poster is already a recipe for a relatively quick end for your villain, regardless of how it actually got there.
I (the player of the Royal Sorcerer and the Royal Provost) do not know any way to IC trace a forum post to anybody. I have not heard of any in over 9 years of playing (most of that playing both law enforcement and a Sorcerer). I have no clue what you might be referring to, so color me puzzled. As far as I know, the only way to IC discover the identity of an anonymous or suspect author of a posting is to PM the account and explain how you're doing it (and, aside from one Sorcerer's apparently unique ability and a certain mirror, there's no way to ID scrolls IC, and even those have limits).

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Add in the concept that, as a villain, you'll have the roleplayers who will literally park their bodies in the lecture hall, hallway, guest rooms, etc, ALL DAY LONG in order to catch the "bad guy" - and you've got yet another reason NOT to appear in person to post. (Or to come out of your room without a disguise cloak, for that matter.)
As the player of the Royal Provost, I refuse to do room-camping because 1. (98%) it's a waste of my time and 2. (2%) it seems unnecessarily adversarial.

In the last many, many years, CM law enforcement / criminal relations have been far from adversarial (put it down to a new crop of criminals a few years ago), and I'd not want to be the one to escalate it first. (But even if a criminal player did escalate, I still couldn't be assed to torture myself by camping a door. Seriously.)


All that said, "wanting to win" is a bad attitude for either side (as is "having a plot", i.e. a begging-middle-end; that's for writing novels, not for playing RPGs).
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:03 AM
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I really think that a big problem with this is OOC crossover. It can be hard to go to the lecture hall and post a scroll (anonymously) without being caught. If one is expected to post messages anonymously in the lecture hall, which is criminal in nature, it should be expected that those who read it must find out about it through IC means. I'm not saying criminals shouldn't be caught, but they should be given a fair chance.

The moment someone posts something like that IC, some players browsing the forums will come up with some random reason to go visit the lecture hall as quickly as possible in hope of catching the criminal.

From my experience as a player who has had characters commit criminal deeds and witness them, there have been numerous times where minutes after committing the crime people are all over you. This is especially true with death. The moment someone sees someone as 'deceased' on the who you get characters randomly hanging outside entrances to the tunnels, guest rooms, or going to areas where they know the deceased character usually hung out and is most likely to be found. It's also incredibly easy to make out an IC excuse as to why your character was heading to such a place. 'Oh, I was just going for a walk.', 'I just decided to check the message boards.', 'What are you saying? I always go here.' , ' I hadn't heard from ser/sera [insert name here] for quite some time and I just knew something must have been wrong!'.

I'm not singling out anyone in particular or saying that everyone does this; I am just trying to make a point.

Even without death, I've seen instances where a character's friend coincidentally arrives moments after a crime has started to take place, automatically knowing something is wrong.

It is incredibly hard to become a criminal. In a perfect world, I completely agree with Priam's Player that messages should be posted in the lecture hall and maybe with some understanding of both sides it will be possible.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:32 AM
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Bearlan,

What you describe is cheating, plain and simple, and an assist should be filed when it happens or is suspected. Crossover is not okay.

If you're also willing to call it out when you see it (I prefer public OOC) even if you're not directly involved, even better.

I have seen it myself - especially as relates to death, which is especially ridiculous, considering characters regularly go days, weeks, years, and (IC only) centuries without coming out of their rooms or being seen by anyone.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:46 AM
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Bearlan,

What you describe is cheating, plain and simple, and an assist should be filed when it happens or is suspected. Crossover is not okay.

If you're also willing to call it out when you see it (I prefer public OOC) even if you're not directly involved, even better.

I have seen it myself - especially as relates to death, which is especially ridiculous, considering characters regularly go days, weeks, years, and (IC only) centuries without coming out of their rooms or being seen by anyone.
Agreed. Admittedly, I have not filed assists when it has happened to any of my characters ( my own fault, really, for not wanting to have to deal with any OOC conflict as that is not what I play for). In the beginning you just tell yourself that it is a strange coincidence, but after it happens several times you really start to wonder.

Hopefully when players read these last couple of posts they will remember to @assist if something like that happens; I sure will from now on. If such situations could stop happening I think it would be a huge factor into getting more criminals to show up IC and not have to go lock themselves in the tunnels or their room, literally seconds after committing a crime, to avoid capture. They might even show up to post a scroll or two in the lecture hall.
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:27 PM
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I can think of several ways someone can POSSIBLY avoid capture through RP

1) lie your ass off (I was just coming in to check the boards good Noble/Knight/Watchman/Guardsman what have you)

2) lead a castle wide chase (not by using e,n,e,w in rapid succession either, but through actually RPing such as dashing to exit, lawman y leaps at x, x skirts lawman y and escapes, chase ensues, do it right and its a blast, do it wrong and everyone goes WTF)

3) use others around you (oblivious Nelly is standing nearby, criminal runs to Nelly and grabs her and uses her as a shield, again do it right and its loads of fun, do it wrong and Nelly and others are going ummm?)

All of that and more causes RP, and RP is what this whole thing is about. Now will any of this guarantee your criminal remains free? Nope, which is in itself part of the fun, on the law side there is a severe risk of losing a criminal, on the criminal side a severe risk of being caught. On both risks of injury or even death depending.
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Old 03-22-2012, 03:36 PM
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Real simple. If you are having a flame war, posting anonymously, trolling or posting as a wanted criminal on the IC boards, you're cheating. I've had people put up some of the most treasonous and incriminating things ever while Falke was STANDING IN THE LECTURE HALL.

Wanna say it was by a page boy? Guess what, the servants read scrolls and spread rumors. They also obey QV's law without question. Considering the origin of the servants, I would not be surprised if Viv literally knew everything they knew.

If you wanna play a criminal or a rebel or a revolutionary, do it right and proper. You are [EDITED BY MODERATOR FOR CONTENT] for a player and character if you don't. As far as I am concerned, if you cop out and try to claim that servants are posting your treasonous crap and horrendous poetry, then you deserve to have your butt handed to you when that servant turns you in. This doesn't just go to recent activity either, this goes to [EDITED BY MODERATOR FOR CONTENT] who pull this power playing BS.

As always, I hate you all.

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Old 03-22-2012, 05:52 PM
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As an aside, cloaked man stirring up trouble, you interrupted my lecture today to be all sneaky and mysterious and post your anonymous drivel.

(Kudos!)
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:26 PM
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Actually that wasn't me. I just happened to be in the Lecture Hall IC when someone else posted anonymously.
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Old 03-22-2012, 07:12 PM
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OK I take my kudos back, jerkface. <3 I still think it is cool you came out instead of just posting from afar.
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Old 03-22-2012, 09:46 PM
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[Servants] also obey QV's law without question.
Not entirely true, there's been a few instances of apparent or obvious criminal involvement by servants (especially a page boy, or some page boys), but that would have to be arranged IC and I think most or all PCs lack the ability to arrange it. (A bit unfortunate, really.)
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:09 PM
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Eh, I can't imagine it would be difficult to slip a character in the lecture hall to post an anon scroll. The last three times I've been on that floor in the last month, I've seen NO ONE. In fact, even passing through the Outer Bailey Courtyard, if I do see someone, they're afk.

It may have been a problem in the past, during the Castle's heyday.
Now? Not so much.
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